Winsome (Smith) Oliver, VHS class of 1943
Interviewed by Emily Hinton
VHS class of 2012
(transcription by Kaye Apeldoorn)
VHS class of 2012
(transcription by Kaye Apeldoorn)
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E: What was your favourite part of high school?
WO: Oh, well I guess the other students and the associations we had. We had a lot of fun. E: Was there anything specific you didn’t like about high school? WO: No...I don’t think so. I was young...I started when I was five, and I skipped a grade, so I missed out on a little bit of the boy-girl relationships. Sometimes I was envious of my friends who had boyfriends. But no, we had a lot of fun. E: That’s good. Did you do any extracurricular activities? WO: We were very active in Red Cross activities because it was war time. In sports I played field hockey. I was an editor of the school annual once. |
Winsome's yearbook photo, 1943
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E: The Red Cross activities you were mentioning, what kind of activities were they?
WO: Well I remember particularly 'Bundles for Britain'; we were collecting clothes a lot and I will say I can remember one teacher--to be nameless--who had worn the same dress every day for I don’t know how many weeks. But after the day of Bundles for Britain, she never wore it again, so we all felt she had sent it with our clothes to Britain. We were very pleased!
E: Were you in school when the guys went to war?
WO: Yeah, well I started in '39 and the war had started and I was there until '43. They didn’t leave until grade 11 or 12 because of age. They weren’t being called up, they were volunteering. I don’t think there was any conscription of any kind, but they would have been too young anyway. Most were enlisting at a young age, although some of them had been there for many years, so they must have thought it was a good way to get out! The average age was really too young.
E: Did anything in the school change at all when that was going on?
WO: Oh, I’m sure it did, but....more just in the way you thought about things, I guess, not really outwardly.
WO: Well I remember particularly 'Bundles for Britain'; we were collecting clothes a lot and I will say I can remember one teacher--to be nameless--who had worn the same dress every day for I don’t know how many weeks. But after the day of Bundles for Britain, she never wore it again, so we all felt she had sent it with our clothes to Britain. We were very pleased!
E: Were you in school when the guys went to war?
WO: Yeah, well I started in '39 and the war had started and I was there until '43. They didn’t leave until grade 11 or 12 because of age. They weren’t being called up, they were volunteering. I don’t think there was any conscription of any kind, but they would have been too young anyway. Most were enlisting at a young age, although some of them had been there for many years, so they must have thought it was a good way to get out! The average age was really too young.
E: Did anything in the school change at all when that was going on?
WO: Oh, I’m sure it did, but....more just in the way you thought about things, I guess, not really outwardly.
Emily & Winsome outside VHS Library
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E: Our library is named after your father, and there’s a note under his picture saying that he knew the names of all the students in the school.
WO: He did, he was incredible. He’d come in to the grade 9 classes and he’d sit at the back with the seating plan just studying them and he’d say " You’re so and so’s brother, haha!". I do have one funny story though: he was down at some place, I think at the parliament buildings, and this girl came along and spoke to him and he started going through his questions you know, what class were you in and such, and she said, "Oh goodness sakes uncle Harry, I’m your niece!". E: How long was he principle at the school? WO: I should have looked that up, I don’t know how many years he was there for, but he was a vice principle and such before that. |
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E: Was he a student at Vic High?
WO: No, he was brought up in PEI. But the one interesting story is he met my mother who was teaching here. They were both teaching at the time, and they got friendly! So I guess that’s how all that started....I have a few comments to make on my dad. One of the things--I didn’t ride to school with him as often as I could, but it did happen quite often. What would happen is the car would come screeching to a stop, and I’d hide in the back seat and....because a couple was walking and holding hands, which you weren’t supposed to do. He was very strict. He was popular and fair, even with the students he got that had been in trouble. But I do remember he had a great dislike for anything that claimed of mass hysteria. We’d have snake parades and such, and I remember he didn’t like that. One day the girls decided to all wear their hair in braids. And I had quite long hair and I did mine in braids, cause I was so proud of it, and I remember I was walking along the corridor, and all of a sudden this hand comes out from the office and pulled me in and I had to take my braids out. Even that, it was, you know, he felt it was getting a little out of control. |
Winsome's dad, Harry Smith, VHS staff 1914-55
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E: Was he aware that his relationship with you might impact your relationship with the other students?
WO: I don’t think so, and it never did. Mind you, he wasn’t teaching, but if a teacher was away and there wasn’t a substitute, he could appear on the scene and then I’d really cringe. But no, it didn’t seem to affect either him or me, but mind you I was 4th in the family so by that time he was used to having somebody around.
E: So, you were the youngest?
WO: No, I had a younger brother, there were 5 of us. And I’m the only one still alive, which is very sad. And I’m also wanting to ask questions about things, but there’s no one to ask....His memory was incredible, as you were saying about the students, and Shakespeare he would know it, he knew it all. One day in my sister’s class we were reading and he just put the book down, and was reading it, when one of the kids said that wasn’t in the book, and all he had to say was the book was wrong.
E: Did you have anything else about school that you wanted to talk about?
WO: I did want to mention the teachers. I taught here for a year, but got married at the end of the year. At that time it was 1950. Married teachers were not permitted to keep teaching; you had to resign right away when you got married. Only females, because it wasn’t that long after the depression and you weren’t supposed to have two incomes in the family. The male teachers were all quite old, because all the younger ones were off to war. The female teachers were quite elderly and spinster-like. Some of them were very nice, but very set in their ways...it was strange when I think back on the lady teachers.
E: Well, it would have been more difficult for the students to relate to somebody who was more distant from them, with less in common.
WO: Oh, well yes. Some of them were very set in their ways--there were some exceptions, but most of them were what you would call spinsters--good teachers, but not someone that you could relate with.
E: Can you think of anything else that there was a real difference how the female teachers or students were treated differently?
WO: Even in my situation, I don’t know if I could last that long, because I wanted to be an accountant, and back then a woman couldn’t be an accountant--so it just goes to show that the jobs were different for men and women.
E: As a member of the debating society, did you ever get to argue about the women’s rights at the school or what topics were debated?
WO: I’m not sure, but I don’t think women’s rights were an issue--it was just kind of accepted, I think. I do also remember that I was going to take double classes, math and physics, and I was talked out of physics, I think because I was a girl. I remember my dad was just furious; he was going to go and tell him off. Actually I was pleased because I felt that it would have been too heavy. But in the end it wasn’t because it was heavy, it was because I was female. It didn’t seem to bother us; maybe we liked being different.
E: When you were hanging out with your friends outside of school, what would you do?
WO: Oh, well one of our favourite places was at the Maple Leaf, which I think still exists, at least I hope so. It was a little restaurant on Douglas street between Yates and View--on the East side. That’s where we used to always go after school.
WO: I don’t think so, and it never did. Mind you, he wasn’t teaching, but if a teacher was away and there wasn’t a substitute, he could appear on the scene and then I’d really cringe. But no, it didn’t seem to affect either him or me, but mind you I was 4th in the family so by that time he was used to having somebody around.
E: So, you were the youngest?
WO: No, I had a younger brother, there were 5 of us. And I’m the only one still alive, which is very sad. And I’m also wanting to ask questions about things, but there’s no one to ask....His memory was incredible, as you were saying about the students, and Shakespeare he would know it, he knew it all. One day in my sister’s class we were reading and he just put the book down, and was reading it, when one of the kids said that wasn’t in the book, and all he had to say was the book was wrong.
E: Did you have anything else about school that you wanted to talk about?
WO: I did want to mention the teachers. I taught here for a year, but got married at the end of the year. At that time it was 1950. Married teachers were not permitted to keep teaching; you had to resign right away when you got married. Only females, because it wasn’t that long after the depression and you weren’t supposed to have two incomes in the family. The male teachers were all quite old, because all the younger ones were off to war. The female teachers were quite elderly and spinster-like. Some of them were very nice, but very set in their ways...it was strange when I think back on the lady teachers.
E: Well, it would have been more difficult for the students to relate to somebody who was more distant from them, with less in common.
WO: Oh, well yes. Some of them were very set in their ways--there were some exceptions, but most of them were what you would call spinsters--good teachers, but not someone that you could relate with.
E: Can you think of anything else that there was a real difference how the female teachers or students were treated differently?
WO: Even in my situation, I don’t know if I could last that long, because I wanted to be an accountant, and back then a woman couldn’t be an accountant--so it just goes to show that the jobs were different for men and women.
E: As a member of the debating society, did you ever get to argue about the women’s rights at the school or what topics were debated?
WO: I’m not sure, but I don’t think women’s rights were an issue--it was just kind of accepted, I think. I do also remember that I was going to take double classes, math and physics, and I was talked out of physics, I think because I was a girl. I remember my dad was just furious; he was going to go and tell him off. Actually I was pleased because I felt that it would have been too heavy. But in the end it wasn’t because it was heavy, it was because I was female. It didn’t seem to bother us; maybe we liked being different.
E: When you were hanging out with your friends outside of school, what would you do?
WO: Oh, well one of our favourite places was at the Maple Leaf, which I think still exists, at least I hope so. It was a little restaurant on Douglas street between Yates and View--on the East side. That’s where we used to always go after school.
And Terry’s, a famous little restaurant/coffee shop--you used to get Victoria Beauties which were 40 cents: it was a sundae in a tall cup, with slush in the bottom and three scoops of ice cream on top; one of each flavour; vanilla, strawberry and chocolate. It’s now a TD Bank at Fort and Douglas. The setup of the streets hasn’t really changed much, even though they’re always talking about it. The stores have changed though. And what’s now the Bay Centre was David Spencer in the early days--it went right through to Government, and there was a tunnel under Broad street if you went in the basement, and you’d come out on the other side of Spencer’s.
E: Take us out on a typical Friday or Saturday night for a teenager in Victoria in 1943.
WO: Oh, well I do remember, and this was when I was in grade twelve, one of our favourite things was a scavenger hunt. You would have teams--I don’t know how many teams, it all depended on how many people were at the party--and you went out with a list of things you had to get. I mean some of them were incredible things, like getting the mayor’s signature or something like that. Now, I can’t remember if we used cars or not. There was no drinking at any of our parties. Well I didn’t have a drink until well on after university. That has certainly changed, and of course drugs were not even heard of. So life was simpler back then in that way. Mind you, some of them would drink, but it wasn’t the ‘in’ thing. It wasn’t thought that much about. I mean, we couldn’t even buy it, you had to be 21....The favourite dance place was the Crystal Gardens. There was a dance floor at both ends. The north end was usually a private party, and the south end was the main dance floor. I remember stories about people keeping bottles under their table, but I think that was later, because I didn’t even go--because I think I was 16 when I graduated.
E: Take us out on a typical Friday or Saturday night for a teenager in Victoria in 1943.
WO: Oh, well I do remember, and this was when I was in grade twelve, one of our favourite things was a scavenger hunt. You would have teams--I don’t know how many teams, it all depended on how many people were at the party--and you went out with a list of things you had to get. I mean some of them were incredible things, like getting the mayor’s signature or something like that. Now, I can’t remember if we used cars or not. There was no drinking at any of our parties. Well I didn’t have a drink until well on after university. That has certainly changed, and of course drugs were not even heard of. So life was simpler back then in that way. Mind you, some of them would drink, but it wasn’t the ‘in’ thing. It wasn’t thought that much about. I mean, we couldn’t even buy it, you had to be 21....The favourite dance place was the Crystal Gardens. There was a dance floor at both ends. The north end was usually a private party, and the south end was the main dance floor. I remember stories about people keeping bottles under their table, but I think that was later, because I didn’t even go--because I think I was 16 when I graduated.
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E: Did you go to this school because you lived in the area or because of your dad? WO: No, because you had to go in the area, it was very strict. As long as you paid taxes to the city, you were allowed to go to school. The schools have sort of gone in for certain areas if you’re interested in a specific thing. That could be either good or bad. |
E: Vic High has a sort of reputation for being very accepting school. The other schools have the reputation for kind of the opposite. Did you hang out with kids from other schools?
WO: Not very much--the funny thing is that my husband went to Oak Bay and ended up teaching there, and it was terrible--I mean he coached the rugby teams and we’d have to go to the games and have to cheer for--the whole thing nearly killed me! The competition between Vic High and Oak Bay--I mean the other schools were smaller and not really entering very much, so the main competitors were VHS and OBHS.
E: Was rugby still really big back then?
WO: Oh, very big, yeah.
E: Were there any other really big sports?
WO: Well, basketball, especially with Victoria, I mean, they have had a history all along of tremendous basketball players, of course...before my time, Patricson and all these people, they were always playing in the Roper Gym.
E: Were there any big news stories back then?
WO: Well, they were mostly war time stories. It was a very very difficult time. I had two older sisters whose friends were boys who had all gone away to war. One of my sisters later married a fellow who had been a prisoner of war in Germany for years, so it was a sad time.”
E: How did you generally get news? Were there news reels, were there theatres you could go to to see the news reels?
WO: Yes, but it was mostly radio. When you went to the theatre, you’d always have a news reel, then a cartoon, then maybe one or two features. But we never cared what time we went to the theatre, we never went when the feature started. You just walked in whenever you wanted to go. You could go in any time you wanted, which these days seems kind of silly. It never occurred to us, maybe you’d sit through the end of that movie then sit through it another time. But yes, the news reels, but mostly radios, and of course newspapers and such.
E: How did the school react when some of the news started to come back about boys from Vic High dying or getting injured?
WO: I don’t really remember them doing anything special, not at that time.
E: It’s interesting to think of how perhaps, your dad had to deal with this, but to maintain spirit, especially since the early years of the war were not going well for the allies and the Canadians in particular. So, really no news was good news, so I guess in order to maintain spirit, they decided against saying it.
WO: We had an assembly every morning. We’d go to homeroom then head down. You knew where to sit, you sat as a class. And the assembly always consisted of the Lord’s Prayer and a Bible reading. Again, my dad would often close his Bible and go ahead quoting, when I would just cringe. Then very often a musical program. One of my favourite teachers, Reg Hammond, who was very musical, he would conduct this music program. That couldn’t have been every morning, but we did have an assembly every morning. So that would be when, if any, interesting pieces of information would have been passed on, but I don’t think we did anything specifically for boys who had been killed.
I was going to say something about the courses. Students these days learn far more earlier than we did. For example, I mean I took math and specialized in math and I didn’t get calculus until third year university, which of course is now taught in high school. I’m sure that’s the same particularly with the sciences, I’m sure that’s taught at a much earlier age now. English was much about memory work, I can still quote from my grade nine teacher, the first thing. I play bridge in a group with another lady who also remembers all these things, and the other ladies get angry because something will come up and we’ll just start quoting it. I can still quote all sorts of things.
E: Would you? Could you quote something for us?
WO: Well this: "...Slowly answered Arthur from the barge/the old order changes/yielding place to new, and God fulfils himself in many ways/the one good custom won’t corrupt the world/comfort myself!"...That’s Tenneson I believe. I think it is. ‘Morte D’Artur', I guess that’s the Death of Arthur.
E: We don’t do much memory work in school anymore. We do a little bit, but just a little bit, I think. Maybe one poem a year.
WO: I guess I loved reciting poetry. It’s interesting this lady Mrs. Swankston, her husband came to teach here at Vic High; he was a great friend of my brother’s. He couldn’t go to the war because of his eyesight, so he came here to teach. All the girls, I mean, he would have been about twenty, but all the girls thought this was just marvelous, cause the average age of the men or all the teachers was around 60. I couldn’t believe it because Neil had always come and visited us, being best friends with my brother. It just shows what the age of the teachers was.
I did want to mention the academic part, these days there’s so many choices, when we only had two roads, which was commercial mostly for the girls and tech for the boys. When I went to school I don’t think the boys could take any commercial courses if they were in the tech courses. By the time I started teaching here though, I think they could. Commercial was more of the typing and junior business, which of course doesn’t exist now with computers, you don’t need secretaries the same way we used to....No, and I think that most of the courses would have been absorbed into different activities. It’s interesting to think that at that time there was be a sense of a streaming process, for people who wanted to go to university to take the academic classes, and those looking to take a shorter track into the business world, and one of the tracks per say would be secretary field, so the school was really preparing students for that....As far as what you were going to do, for women, it was nursing, teaching or secretarial, that was about it. You know, you didn’t have the huge choice, which is probably too much these days.
WO: Not very much--the funny thing is that my husband went to Oak Bay and ended up teaching there, and it was terrible--I mean he coached the rugby teams and we’d have to go to the games and have to cheer for--the whole thing nearly killed me! The competition between Vic High and Oak Bay--I mean the other schools were smaller and not really entering very much, so the main competitors were VHS and OBHS.
E: Was rugby still really big back then?
WO: Oh, very big, yeah.
E: Were there any other really big sports?
WO: Well, basketball, especially with Victoria, I mean, they have had a history all along of tremendous basketball players, of course...before my time, Patricson and all these people, they were always playing in the Roper Gym.
E: Were there any big news stories back then?
WO: Well, they were mostly war time stories. It was a very very difficult time. I had two older sisters whose friends were boys who had all gone away to war. One of my sisters later married a fellow who had been a prisoner of war in Germany for years, so it was a sad time.”
E: How did you generally get news? Were there news reels, were there theatres you could go to to see the news reels?
WO: Yes, but it was mostly radio. When you went to the theatre, you’d always have a news reel, then a cartoon, then maybe one or two features. But we never cared what time we went to the theatre, we never went when the feature started. You just walked in whenever you wanted to go. You could go in any time you wanted, which these days seems kind of silly. It never occurred to us, maybe you’d sit through the end of that movie then sit through it another time. But yes, the news reels, but mostly radios, and of course newspapers and such.
E: How did the school react when some of the news started to come back about boys from Vic High dying or getting injured?
WO: I don’t really remember them doing anything special, not at that time.
E: It’s interesting to think of how perhaps, your dad had to deal with this, but to maintain spirit, especially since the early years of the war were not going well for the allies and the Canadians in particular. So, really no news was good news, so I guess in order to maintain spirit, they decided against saying it.
WO: We had an assembly every morning. We’d go to homeroom then head down. You knew where to sit, you sat as a class. And the assembly always consisted of the Lord’s Prayer and a Bible reading. Again, my dad would often close his Bible and go ahead quoting, when I would just cringe. Then very often a musical program. One of my favourite teachers, Reg Hammond, who was very musical, he would conduct this music program. That couldn’t have been every morning, but we did have an assembly every morning. So that would be when, if any, interesting pieces of information would have been passed on, but I don’t think we did anything specifically for boys who had been killed.
I was going to say something about the courses. Students these days learn far more earlier than we did. For example, I mean I took math and specialized in math and I didn’t get calculus until third year university, which of course is now taught in high school. I’m sure that’s the same particularly with the sciences, I’m sure that’s taught at a much earlier age now. English was much about memory work, I can still quote from my grade nine teacher, the first thing. I play bridge in a group with another lady who also remembers all these things, and the other ladies get angry because something will come up and we’ll just start quoting it. I can still quote all sorts of things.
E: Would you? Could you quote something for us?
WO: Well this: "...Slowly answered Arthur from the barge/the old order changes/yielding place to new, and God fulfils himself in many ways/the one good custom won’t corrupt the world/comfort myself!"...That’s Tenneson I believe. I think it is. ‘Morte D’Artur', I guess that’s the Death of Arthur.
E: We don’t do much memory work in school anymore. We do a little bit, but just a little bit, I think. Maybe one poem a year.
WO: I guess I loved reciting poetry. It’s interesting this lady Mrs. Swankston, her husband came to teach here at Vic High; he was a great friend of my brother’s. He couldn’t go to the war because of his eyesight, so he came here to teach. All the girls, I mean, he would have been about twenty, but all the girls thought this was just marvelous, cause the average age of the men or all the teachers was around 60. I couldn’t believe it because Neil had always come and visited us, being best friends with my brother. It just shows what the age of the teachers was.
I did want to mention the academic part, these days there’s so many choices, when we only had two roads, which was commercial mostly for the girls and tech for the boys. When I went to school I don’t think the boys could take any commercial courses if they were in the tech courses. By the time I started teaching here though, I think they could. Commercial was more of the typing and junior business, which of course doesn’t exist now with computers, you don’t need secretaries the same way we used to....No, and I think that most of the courses would have been absorbed into different activities. It’s interesting to think that at that time there was be a sense of a streaming process, for people who wanted to go to university to take the academic classes, and those looking to take a shorter track into the business world, and one of the tracks per say would be secretary field, so the school was really preparing students for that....As far as what you were going to do, for women, it was nursing, teaching or secretarial, that was about it. You know, you didn’t have the huge choice, which is probably too much these days.
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One thing I should tell you, I always think of this, but I had a Chinese friend, Gertrude Lee. And when I say this, it’s strange, because she was a very good friend but I never saw her outside of school. She lived sort of in China town and would always go to the Chinese school after school. We were very good friends, but when we came, you had to write exams in grade 12 if you wanted to get scholarships. She said there was no point in her going to university because she was Chinese; she was very bright, so she chose not to write. And she did end up going to university, but it’s sad to think that she thought she couldn’t do anything because she was Chinese. I feel very sorry because I lost touch with her later and I don’t know what she did do. I got her address, thinking it was the correct address, and I wrote to her, but I never got a reply, so I don’t know if it was the correct address or not.
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E: It’s interesting to think of all the cultures that Vic High represents. Can you think of any other cultures in the school at that time?
WO: There was a Sikh who was here, but there were also the Japanese, but they got sent away. I think it was in '42, I remember having an assembly to say goodbye to them. I can understand in a way that they felt they had to leave, but what they did to them, I mean they sold their boats! They never got their boats. Most of them were fishing, but they never got their fishing boats back. It was just incredible!
E: Now, you know that Vic High is actually granting a diploma to one of those fishermen.
WO: Yes, I know that. I read about it....Class of 42. And they're just in the process of doing it now. It’s interesting to think that in some respects, it’s taken the school this long to come around to this process of perhaps healing a little bit of this energy.
E: If you think about the city back in those days, what do you think were some of the changes you witnessed in Victoria since you left school?
WO: The street cars. They’d be crowded. The tracks were a menace for cars. That’s one of the biggest things I think has changed. I live in Oak Bay now for years, and they used to have the trolley buses. The boys thought it was funny when they pulled the wire off so that it wouldn’t go, and the driver would have to stop and put it back on again.
E: Was China Town a lot different back then?
WO: That’s interesting, because I don’t think that we ever went to China Town. Although I’m sure it’s different now, being that it’s a tourist attraction now. It wasn’t a place to go shopping or anything. Beacon Hill Park is pretty much the same as it is now.
E: Would you say overall you’re proud to be an alumni of VHS?
WO: Oh, very much so! And as I say, I’m still a rival of Oak Bay High....I think we were the first class to have a formal graduation picture taken.
E: There wasn’t much occasion for girls and boys to meet during school time was there?
WO: Well we had our dance club that I organized, but other than that, no.”
E: So you say you got married in 1950, and you raised three daughters? And where did they end up?
WO: The eldest, well they sort of sold it, but they ran a fishing camp up at Night Inlet for years, wonderful place. When I say they’ve sort of sold it, they sold it to their son. So it’s still in the family. My second daughter is teaching at a university, and my youngest is the manager of a TD Bank in Campbell River. So they’ve all done very well. They’re getting old though, I can’t believe it!
WO: There was a Sikh who was here, but there were also the Japanese, but they got sent away. I think it was in '42, I remember having an assembly to say goodbye to them. I can understand in a way that they felt they had to leave, but what they did to them, I mean they sold their boats! They never got their boats. Most of them were fishing, but they never got their fishing boats back. It was just incredible!
E: Now, you know that Vic High is actually granting a diploma to one of those fishermen.
WO: Yes, I know that. I read about it....Class of 42. And they're just in the process of doing it now. It’s interesting to think that in some respects, it’s taken the school this long to come around to this process of perhaps healing a little bit of this energy.
E: If you think about the city back in those days, what do you think were some of the changes you witnessed in Victoria since you left school?
WO: The street cars. They’d be crowded. The tracks were a menace for cars. That’s one of the biggest things I think has changed. I live in Oak Bay now for years, and they used to have the trolley buses. The boys thought it was funny when they pulled the wire off so that it wouldn’t go, and the driver would have to stop and put it back on again.
E: Was China Town a lot different back then?
WO: That’s interesting, because I don’t think that we ever went to China Town. Although I’m sure it’s different now, being that it’s a tourist attraction now. It wasn’t a place to go shopping or anything. Beacon Hill Park is pretty much the same as it is now.
E: Would you say overall you’re proud to be an alumni of VHS?
WO: Oh, very much so! And as I say, I’m still a rival of Oak Bay High....I think we were the first class to have a formal graduation picture taken.
E: There wasn’t much occasion for girls and boys to meet during school time was there?
WO: Well we had our dance club that I organized, but other than that, no.”
E: So you say you got married in 1950, and you raised three daughters? And where did they end up?
WO: The eldest, well they sort of sold it, but they ran a fishing camp up at Night Inlet for years, wonderful place. When I say they’ve sort of sold it, they sold it to their son. So it’s still in the family. My second daughter is teaching at a university, and my youngest is the manager of a TD Bank in Campbell River. So they’ve all done very well. They’re getting old though, I can’t believe it!
